Re: [SEC508] Does .31 always apply?

[David Poehlman <david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com>]

Hi Greg,

It seems that under .31, it could be.  I am glad to be rong though.

On Jul 18, 2006, at 11:39 AM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:



So you are arguing that if voice is used instead of text - it could be
argued that it was equivalent facilitation under .31a?

Hmmmm

I don't think you can (or should) succeed in saying that voice was
equivalent facilitation for text in Web content.

Do you?   If there is a loophole somewhere in 508 that allows that -  
then it
needs to get fixed in remake.


Gregg

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Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
Director - Trace R & D Center
University of Wisconsin-Madison
The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b



> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Poehlman [mailto:david.poehlman@handsontechnologeyes.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 10:27 AM
> To: Gregg Vanderheiden
> Cc: 'section 508 discussion list'
> Subject: Re: [SEC508] Does .31 always apply?
>
> Greg,
>
> I know that audio and graphics are non text but equivelant access
> means that if I provided this as an alternative I could be covered.
> This alternative would not be functional using a refreshable
> braillle display or via phone since both require text to be
> transmitted for processing.  In the case of a refreshable
> braille display, the text needs to be available.  In the case
> of the phone browser, we need something that can be converted
> into speech and right now, that is text.  It might be
> possible to ocr the image of text, use speech recognition to
> convert the audio to text  and output it but that's getting heavy.
>
> On Jul 18, 2006, at 10:27 AM, Gregg Vanderheiden wrote:
>
> I believe both the graphic and audio would be non-text so
> they would be covered by .22a that says
>   (a) A text equivalent for every non-text element shall be provided"
>
> So you couldn't pass with only audio and graphic if using the
> Web phone interface.
>
> Or do you mean that since the phone doesn't have braille
> built in it could only display the text as voice?
>
> Gregg
>
>   -- ------------------------------
> Gregg C Vanderheiden Ph.D.
> Professor - Ind. Engr. & BioMed Engr.
> Director - Trace R & D Center
> University of Wisconsin-Madison
> The Player for my DSS sound file is at http://tinyurl.com/dho6b
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: sec508-admin@trace.wisc.edu
> > [mailto:sec508-admin@trace.wisc.edu] On Behalf Of David Poehlman
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:02 AM
> > To: section 508 discussion list
> > Subject: Re: [SEC508] Does .31 always apply?
> >
> > Following on my braille issue, accessing a web that complies might
> > also not be possible with phone systems which serve up synthesized
> > speech through the web/phone interface.  For instance, if there are
> > graphical representations of the content on a site accompanied by
> > audio representations of same, the phone will get gibberish
> as well as
> > the braille getting nothing to gibbberish.
> >
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